Following on from the previous post, we now move on to April 2010, ten years ago and with preparations underway for the Power from the Past event, which was themed on ‘Corporations & Contractors’ and for which, looking back, I had rather ambitiously attempted to create a theme for which almost everything presented had to be borrowed (or repainted!).
Whilst searching back through the blog, and some other image files, I came across those that I took of the Colliery Railway before it was redeveloped, and thought that I would include them here for interest…
Only yesterday I was looking at my photos of this event when I was there with 3114. You can forget how small the initial narrow gauge operation was & how far it has developed in 10 years. let us hope that further developments can continue once the current situation has abated.
Terry Pinnegar / 4-2-2020 / ·
An excellent piece, reminding us of how far we have come in only ten years.
This weekend would, of course, have been the 2020 event, and I am sorry that I will not be there seeing my steam friends again.
Let’s hope that something can be arranged for later in the year – and maybe the 2021 event will be bigger and better thasn ever.
Rebecca Bracher / 4-2-2020 / ·
Have to say, i’d love to know more about 17 and the plans for it
Paul Jarman / 4-3-2020 / ·
Hi Rebecca – I hope the latest articles are of interest! Best wishes, Paul
Rob ingram / 4-2-2020 / ·
Hi paul,
Thank you for this interesting piece of history, and to see how much the colliery railway has come on since you started,
I would like you to answer a question please regarding no 14,
I understand it was first steamed in 1981 which then meant on boiler certification it should of stopped in 1991, however they stopped steaming her in 1994, how did they get around that with the boiler certs? as it has intrigued me as I thought they went on 10 year certs, Also when did Coffee pot no 1 stopped running on the previous operation?, Thank you for you time, Stay safe Cheers Rob
Paul Jarman / 4-3-2020 / ·
Hi Rob. The idea of a ten-year boiler ticket is something of a misnomer. They are usually 14 months, sometimes 12 months (depending on who the insurer is). It is the insurance company, who any operator of a pressure system is required to appoint to carry out examinations (but who don’t necessarily have to provide the actual cover), who determines whether a boiler can operate for multiple periods, and they will base their view on the condition of the boiler. For instance, our current insurance examiner is British Engineering Services (formally Royal Sun Alliance, who have the longest track record of steam boiler inspection), whilst the insurance itself is provided by Zurich, the Museum’s overall insurer. Our examiners will usually allow a boiler to operate for a period of seven years, plus three after satisfactory review – before the boiler has to be exposed to enable more thorough inspection (usually out of the frames, sans cladding and with tubes removed). At that stage there will usually be repairs and renewals required. Therefore, in the case of No.14, or any locomotive boiler, it is not the simply the case of saying ‘ten years’ for the ticket. I don’t have access to the records, but I recall that 14 was retubed and usually this will be an element in either extending a boiler life or re-setting the clock for it. Some examinations will enable a boiler to run much longer than expected – Steam Elephant ran for around 15 years on the original tubes, as the boiler treatment regime and tube quality was such that the inspectors were happy to see it continue in service (though it did receive intermediate hydraulic tests and longitudinal weld inspections on the barrel).
We anticipate No.18 being withdrawn from service this winter as this will be the seven years plus three that I referred to, but the inspector has suggested that as the boiler is in good condition, he may only want a few tubes withdrawing to enable detailed internal inspection. This perhaps gives an idea that this process is not set in stone, period wise, and is in fact one based very much on the condition, use and water treatment regime that a boiler is subject to. In recent years some have found that tubes are only lasting for two or three yeas, whilst I know of one steam roller that has had its tubes in for 40 years!
In terms of Coffee Pot – without the file to hand I cannot recall precisely when this was -some time in the late 90s though.
Hope this helps?! Best wishes, Paul
Rob ingram / 4-4-2020 / ·
Hi Paul,
THank you for responding to my question, as it has actually answered my question fully much appreciated, Great that you are putting some additional content on the blog as well, As a Suggestion you could do a history of the railway system at the museum with details about the stock, operations etc, as I think It would make interesting reading for a lot of viewers,
its a shame I live too far away (south wales) otherwise I would volunteer at the museum.
Stay Safe mate,
Cheers
Rob
Harder to find a copy but I hope to update it and include the buses as well in a future, enlarged, edition.
Best wishes
Paul
Alex Tyson / 4-6-2020 / ·
Hi Paul, you mentioned that Black Hawthorn 0-4-0ST ‘Wellington’ was resident at Beamish from the late 90s to the early 2000s.Out of interest, do you have any photos of the engine operating in the colliery yard or information about the engine’s stay at the museum? I have looked on the internet but haven’t managed to find any photos of it during its time at the museum. I know it was back at Marley Hill by 2006. I volunteer at the Tanfield Railway, so this engine is of interest to me.
Thanks,
Alex
Paul Jarman / 4-7-2020 / ·
Hi Alex
I will have a look. I never saw it in steam and when I arrived in 2004 it was already dismantled. Eventually it was deemed prudent for the owner to return Wellington to Tanfield. I have a few photos of it the day it was removed, and there was a photo on the messroom noticeboard of it in steam, and there will be some more in the archive at work (I can’t access that from home). I don’t think it was steamed often, but there was certainly one photograph in Steam Railway Magazine I think, showing it running. If you remind me once Beamish reopens, I’ll try and get into the archive and see what there is…
Best wishes
Paul
Alex Tyson / 4-7-2020 / ·
Hi Paul, that would be excellent, thank you very much!
Regards,
Alex
Rob ingram / 4-7-2020 / ·
Hi paul,
Thank you for the reply, and Yes I actually have both books, which are very good, Are there any videos of the j21/no 14 running during the 80s/90’s in the archive? With alexs question it would be nice to see some photos of wellington running,
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Only yesterday I was looking at my photos of this event when I was there with 3114. You can forget how small the initial narrow gauge operation was & how far it has developed in 10 years. let us hope that further developments can continue once the current situation has abated.
An excellent piece, reminding us of how far we have come in only ten years.
This weekend would, of course, have been the 2020 event, and I am sorry that I will not be there seeing my steam friends again.
Let’s hope that something can be arranged for later in the year – and maybe the 2021 event will be bigger and better thasn ever.
Have to say, i’d love to know more about 17 and the plans for it
Hi Rebecca – I hope the latest articles are of interest! Best wishes, Paul
Hi paul,
Thank you for this interesting piece of history, and to see how much the colliery railway has come on since you started,
I would like you to answer a question please regarding no 14,
I understand it was first steamed in 1981 which then meant on boiler certification it should of stopped in 1991, however they stopped steaming her in 1994, how did they get around that with the boiler certs? as it has intrigued me as I thought they went on 10 year certs, Also when did Coffee pot no 1 stopped running on the previous operation?, Thank you for you time, Stay safe Cheers Rob
Hi Rob. The idea of a ten-year boiler ticket is something of a misnomer. They are usually 14 months, sometimes 12 months (depending on who the insurer is). It is the insurance company, who any operator of a pressure system is required to appoint to carry out examinations (but who don’t necessarily have to provide the actual cover), who determines whether a boiler can operate for multiple periods, and they will base their view on the condition of the boiler. For instance, our current insurance examiner is British Engineering Services (formally Royal Sun Alliance, who have the longest track record of steam boiler inspection), whilst the insurance itself is provided by Zurich, the Museum’s overall insurer. Our examiners will usually allow a boiler to operate for a period of seven years, plus three after satisfactory review – before the boiler has to be exposed to enable more thorough inspection (usually out of the frames, sans cladding and with tubes removed). At that stage there will usually be repairs and renewals required. Therefore, in the case of No.14, or any locomotive boiler, it is not the simply the case of saying ‘ten years’ for the ticket. I don’t have access to the records, but I recall that 14 was retubed and usually this will be an element in either extending a boiler life or re-setting the clock for it. Some examinations will enable a boiler to run much longer than expected – Steam Elephant ran for around 15 years on the original tubes, as the boiler treatment regime and tube quality was such that the inspectors were happy to see it continue in service (though it did receive intermediate hydraulic tests and longitudinal weld inspections on the barrel).
We anticipate No.18 being withdrawn from service this winter as this will be the seven years plus three that I referred to, but the inspector has suggested that as the boiler is in good condition, he may only want a few tubes withdrawing to enable detailed internal inspection. This perhaps gives an idea that this process is not set in stone, period wise, and is in fact one based very much on the condition, use and water treatment regime that a boiler is subject to. In recent years some have found that tubes are only lasting for two or three yeas, whilst I know of one steam roller that has had its tubes in for 40 years!
In terms of Coffee Pot – without the file to hand I cannot recall precisely when this was -some time in the late 90s though.
Hope this helps?! Best wishes, Paul
Hi Paul,
THank you for responding to my question, as it has actually answered my question fully much appreciated, Great that you are putting some additional content on the blog as well, As a Suggestion you could do a history of the railway system at the museum with details about the stock, operations etc, as I think It would make interesting reading for a lot of viewers,
its a shame I live too far away (south wales) otherwise I would volunteer at the museum.
Stay Safe mate,
Cheers
Rob
Hi Rob – have you a copy of this:https://www.middletonpress.co.uk/books/railways/great-railway-eras/beamish-40-years-on-rails.html
It is obviously a few years out of date now, but it gives a gist of the history of the railway and tramway. There was also this:
https://www.videoscene.co.uk/the-beamish-museum-tramway-forty-years-of-service
Harder to find a copy but I hope to update it and include the buses as well in a future, enlarged, edition.
Best wishes
Paul
Hi Paul, you mentioned that Black Hawthorn 0-4-0ST ‘Wellington’ was resident at Beamish from the late 90s to the early 2000s.Out of interest, do you have any photos of the engine operating in the colliery yard or information about the engine’s stay at the museum? I have looked on the internet but haven’t managed to find any photos of it during its time at the museum. I know it was back at Marley Hill by 2006. I volunteer at the Tanfield Railway, so this engine is of interest to me.
Thanks,
Alex
Hi Alex
I will have a look. I never saw it in steam and when I arrived in 2004 it was already dismantled. Eventually it was deemed prudent for the owner to return Wellington to Tanfield. I have a few photos of it the day it was removed, and there was a photo on the messroom noticeboard of it in steam, and there will be some more in the archive at work (I can’t access that from home). I don’t think it was steamed often, but there was certainly one photograph in Steam Railway Magazine I think, showing it running. If you remind me once Beamish reopens, I’ll try and get into the archive and see what there is…
Best wishes
Paul
Hi Paul, that would be excellent, thank you very much!
Regards,
Alex
Hi paul,
Thank you for the reply, and Yes I actually have both books, which are very good, Are there any videos of the j21/no 14 running during the 80s/90’s in the archive? With alexs question it would be nice to see some photos of wellington running,
Cheers
Rob